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5 and 6 Both are wrong, which is worse?
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Posted 2013-March-22, 05:35
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wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
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Posted 2013-March-22, 06:52
West took a flyer bidding 5C and it looks like it was paying off. Did west make a silly bid? His partner is obviously not very good failing to act over 1S with short S, so he gambled, not so unreasonable in a pairs game is it. East was not bidding to make but has no reason to take a dive with a defensive trick and a great lead. Maybe they make 5S, but I feel East should take his chances and defend.
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Posted 2013-March-22, 06:55
Pmsl, what? Well I wouldn't have dreamt of either...but East's 6♣ is by far the worst....5♣ is a bit of a joust when partner couldn't bid over 1♠ but at least you rate to find a ♠ shortage opposite. 6♣ just beggars belief...can't really think 6♣ is making...partner has to bid 5♣ under pressure.
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Posted 2013-March-22, 07:12
5 ♣ is worse.
It gives East the chance to believe that West had his bid
. Over 5 ♣ and pass, it looks as if partner had long clubs and tried to sacrifice against 4 ♠ and that he has no slam interesst and not much defence. So, how can we ever beat 5 ♠? We seldom can, but maybe 6 ♣ is a good sacrifice opposite the likely 3217 hand and clubs 3-1?
It gives East the chance to believe that West had his bid
. Over 5 ♣ and pass, it looks as if partner had long clubs and tried to sacrifice against 4 ♠ and that he has no slam interesst and not much defence. So, how can we ever beat 5 ♠? We seldom can, but maybe 6 ♣ is a good sacrifice opposite the likely 3217 hand and clubs 3-1?
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Posted 2013-March-22, 13:39
Codo, on 2013-March-22, 07:12, said:
5 ♣ is worse.
It gives East the chance to believe that West had his bid. Over 5 ♣ and pass, it looks as if partner had long clubs and tried to sacrifice against 4 ♠ and that he has no slam interesst and not much defence. So, how can we ever beat 5 ♠? We seldom can, but maybe 6 ♣ is a good sacrifice opposite the likely 3217 hand and clubs 3-1?
It gives East the chance to believe that West had his bid
. Over 5 ♣ and pass, it looks as if partner had long clubs and tried to sacrifice against 4 ♠ and that he has no slam interesst and not much defence. So, how can we ever beat 5 ♠? We seldom can, but maybe 6 ♣ is a good sacrifice opposite the likely 3217 hand and clubs 3-1?Since when is West likely to be 3217? And if he is, why aren't we defending? If we knew he was 3217, we double and lead the diamond A, don't we?
Anyway, in most games, when the opps bid 1 -4, they usually own 10+ trumps, so the notion is silly anyway.
The fact that West held 3 spades makes his call more palatable but does nothing to increase the plausibility of the 6♣ idioicy.
Frankly, I dislike 5♣ as a unilateral decision, but one that was actually going to work out until East lost whatever mind he used to have.
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Posted 2013-March-22, 15:47
West gets 100% of the blame but then East comes along and it is renormalised and gets 1000% instead.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2013-March-22, 19:29
Who cares?
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Posted 2013-March-22, 21:37
I do.
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win
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Posted 2013-March-22, 22:28
Hanoi5, on 2013-March-22, 21:37, said:
I do.
Both players should be looking for new partners after this auction.
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Posted 2013-March-23, 01:46
East is worst, but that doesn't make West's bid any good.
West makes a gamble and succeeds to lift them a level. But when South bids 5♠ it clearly indicates that he has a good hand and that 4♠ would easily make. There's a reasonable chance to defeat the 5♠ however because of a possible ♦ ruff, so East didn't think this through at all. Why take a sure minus when you may get a plus score instead?
West makes a gamble and succeeds to lift them a level. But when South bids 5♠ it clearly indicates that he has a good hand and that 4♠ would easily make. There's a reasonable chance to defeat the 5♠ however because of a possible ♦ ruff, so East didn't think this through at all. Why take a sure minus when you may get a plus score instead?
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