[barsikb]

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This hand is a dealer, didn't open.

What shall I bid if using Reverse Drury after P-P-1♠-P?

[barsikb]

Do most players agree on Reverse Drury off after TOD/overcall?

How does opener rebid with a very strong hand? Same 2Diamonds? For example with

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or even stronger?

How much useful is Two-Way Drury?

[the_clown]

With this hand I would bid 3♣- fitjump as a passed hand. My 3rd seat openings can be pretty light, often a 4card suit, so partner will always have a very good hand when he forces me to the 3. level.

With the hand you suggested I would just bid 4S. I need an awful lot to make slam and partner failed to open the bidding.

With a stronger hand I would suggest to bid your second suit at the 3 level if you have one, or just bid a forcing 3S to strongly invite a cuebid.

[barsikb]

"With this hand I would bid 3♣- fitjump as a passed hand. My 3rd seat openings can be pretty light, often a 4card suit, so partner will always have a very good hand when he forces me to the 3. level."

I thought 3♣ is to show hand with no fit for partner's major and suitable for playing clubs contract only. Confused now

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#0 standard / reverse / 2-way drury is not a convention I would recommend to someone considered N/B,
this holds also true for weak 3rd seat openings.

And given your questions, no offense intended, I would recommend, you forget for the time being,
the existence of those bids, but an explanation can be gind here

http://www.bridgeguy...uryReverse.html
http://www.bridgeguy...ruryTwoWay.html

#1 if you happen to play it, than use it ..., i.e. bid 2C, you have invitational values.

The 2C bid showes a fit and inv.+ values, opener bids either game, makes a jump rebid
in 3 of the agreed major, or bids a new suit.

As opener you should ask yourself - Do you think slam is on, when partner denied an opening
hand? What cards do I need? With the given hand, give partner AK A, in suits of your choice,
do you think you can avoid loosing 2-tricks?
If you say, he could have a single / void oppossite your doubleton, and if you believe this is
a realistical scenario, ask yourself the next question, have you the means to find out, that
partner happens to have such a magic hand.
Only if you believe, that it is realistic, and if you happen to have the tools available, march
on, otherwise sign of in game.

#2 2-way drury allowes you to differentiate between 3 and 4 card support.
Being a passed hand, you dont have much use for a 2C / 2D response to a 1 M opening bid,
hence the bid is idle. if you can remember the agreement, why not?
It is nice, if you have it, but you dont need it.

#3 After a intervention, I would not play it, but some say, if the intervention does not take
away room, why change the system.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I dont play Drury, and I dont miss it.

[barsikb]

Thank you, P_Marlowe.

The hand in my first post. Could I just bid 4S even though we agreed on using RevDrury? (My partner would not open in major without 4-card suit even in 3rd/4th seat.)Bad idea?

[billw55]

On the first hand, I think you would get many votes here to open the bidding in first seat. If you choose not to (reasonable), then you must consider your hand a maximum after passing. Then partner bids 1♠, and it gets much better! How to describe this? I think we want to play at least 4♠ now, but bidding it directly would show a different sort of hand (preemptive). Remember, partner is not automatically subminimum just because he opened in 3rd seat. We may still want to be in slam if his hand is strong.

Considering all this, I think I would choose 4♥, a splinter raise. If partner trusts me he should get a very good idea of my hand from this, in conjunction with the previous pass.

[the_clown]

barsikb, on 2013-February-11, 07:17, said:

"With this hand I would bid 3♣- fitjump as a passed hand. My 3rd seat openings can be pretty light, often a 4card suit, so partner will always have a very good hand when he forces me to the 3. level."

I thought 3♣ is to show hand with no fit for partner's major and suitable for playing clubs contract only. Confused now

With a hand that can play only in clubs, partner will probably open 3♣s. If not he would bid 1NT over 1S.

But ofcourse you may choose to play different methods after 3rd seat opening.

[barsikb]

the_clown, I understand your point. Thank you.

What about this hand:

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after partner's 3rd seat 1S opening? 1NT?

[barsikb]

Dealer: South

How to bid if using RevDrury (and considering North didn't open)?

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[P_Marlowe]

barsikb, on 2013-February-11, 07:47, said:

Thank you, P_Marlowe.

The hand in my first post. Could I just bid 4S even though we agreed on using RevDrury? (My partner would not open in major without 4-card suit even in 3rd/4th seat.)Bad idea?

#0 As mentioned, light 3rd seat openers, are not N/B stuff

I should also mention, that I am not a big believer in light openings in 3rd seat.

#1 In general: If you agreed to play light 3rd seat openers and Drury, you dont bid game as a passed hand. Because if you do, you
may hang partner if he just wanted to show you a save lead.

If you agreed to play light 3rd seat openers, opening with a good 4 card suit is a sensible idea, the idea you bid the suit
as a lead director
Besides agreeing to open light in 3rd seat, you should also agree on the lower bound, and how frequent you are doing this.
Depending on the answers, you should go via Drury with the first posted hand.
The hand is good, the hand is strong enough to insist on game, ..., assuming you face a full fledged opener.

Is the assumption not fullfllled, you will turn a plus score in a minus score.

2-way Drury will get the information across, that you have 4 card support, otherwise drury followed by a inv. raise to 3S will
tell partner, that you happen to have a near opener with 4 card support, if he still declines the invite, you should have enough
to give 3S play (or not).
Playing 2-way Drury, you could even raise after a decline raise 2S to 3S, but it gets closer, but for the given hand it is ok,
the known 9 card fit, the good side card suit, the single makes this hand worth an opening bid.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the_clown]

barsikb, on 2013-February-11, 09:16, said:

the_clown, I understand your point. Thank you.

What about this hand:

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after partner's 3rd seat 1S opening? 1NT?

Yes. If partner has balanced minimum he will not bid again.
With an unbalanced hand he will usually bid his second suit. You can raise him showing an invitational hand with support.
If he rebids 2♠ you will not be happy, but you should pass.

[barsikb]

Thank you, P_Marlowe and the_clown. Very clear.

[billw55]

barsikb, on 2013-February-11, 09:19, said:

Dealer: South

How to bid if using RevDrury (and considering North didn't open)?

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On this hand, I again recommend the splinter:

p - p - p - 1♠
p - 4♥

Notice that game is cold despite only 21 high card points (18 discounting the wasted ♥Q and ♣J). As in the first example, responder's hand is too good for a limit raise, he must force to game in both cases in my opinion.

(Although as P_Marlowe says, it may depend on just how low your light 3rd seat opening can be; something for you and your partner to agree on.)

[TWO4BRIDGE]

barsikb, on 2013-February-11, 07:17, said:

" With this hand I would bid 3♣= fit-jump as a passed hand. My 3rd seat openings can be pretty light, often a 4card suit, so partner will always have a very good hand when he forces me to the 3. level."

I thought 3♣ is to show hand with no fit for partner's major and suitable for playing clubs contract only. Confused now

To show good,long ♣ suit ( or long ♦ if you play 2-way Drury ), you can use 2NT! as a relay to 3♣ for pass-or-correct to 3♦ .

[barsikb]

billw55, thank you!

TWO4BRIDGE
"To show good,long ♣ suit ( or long ♦ if you play 2-way Drury ), you can use 2NT! as a relay to 3♣ for pass-or-correct to 3♦ ."

You mean that 2NT is not needed as a natural bid anyway since partner may have opened light?