[fred]

We have released an experimental new version of the BBO web-client. You can read more about it here:

Click to learn more about experimental web-client

This is the place to post whatever comments you have - please let us know what you think!

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[1eyedjack]

Humph. Well it is an improvement, in my view. But, for me, a complete irrelevancy. If I were forced to use pictures of cards, then I think that this layout is better than the main released version.

However I find it hard to imagine that, for me, pictures of cards will ever approach the cleanliness and ease of use of diagram mode, and so far this is for me no exception. All we have here is a pictures-of-cards layout that is inferior to diagram mode by a smaller margin. So I will continue to use diagram mode, whether in web client or Windows client, and reflect with disappointment that BBO programmers have been pressurised by force of numbers of customer feedback complaints to devote resources to this aspect when, as far as I am concerned, there are more important issues.

Sorry if that sounds like bah humbug, but well, this is nearly Christmas.

I suppose I have to accept, given the strength of opinion, that there really are some players out there who prefer pictures-of-cards layout. I really wish that someone out there could articulate the attraction.

[heyrocky]

For some of us, seeing pictures of cards better resembles being at a real table, rather than seeing something out of a book.

Having said that, and reflecting how opinions differ, I find it fascinating that people can prefer the pictures in the experimental version, when I find nothing appealing about them at all. BBO has displays for everyone, and that's great.

[jdeegan]

Well I do agree with the first comment. If I HAD to use pictures (which I seldom do) then it is slightly better in terms of use than the pictures you use now, but only because it is a little easier to see which card is which. It's a decent enough effort to include as a third choice on the menu.

From an aesthetic viewpoint it is a nightmare, imo.

[Mbodell]

Hmm, I think I prefer the regular cards of the normal web view. But I can see different people might like different things. I wonder how this would look on a mobile phone (possibly better), but I have problems with flash so don't think that will work for me.

[Bbradley62]

I use diagram mode, but certainly prefer the current card pictures to the experimental ones.

[barmar]

Mbodell, on 2012-December-18, 05:25, said:

Hmm, I think I prefer the regular cards of the normal web view. But I can see different people might like different things. I wonder how this would look on a mobile phone (possibly better), but I have problems with flash so don't think that will work for me.

Since we now have the mobile app, why does that matter?

[Mbodell]

barmar, on 2012-December-18, 10:07, said:

Since we now have the mobile app, why does that matter?

It doesn't. Only I forgot there was a mobile app, even though I have it installed.

[FM75]

Since the beta allows you to pick the large index faces or the standard BBO index, I do not see how this could be anything but better. On my 15" laptop the standard cards are fine, but so is my vision.

I think you need feedback from the folks that complain that the "cards are too small".

That said, I suspect that many do not figure out right clicking will bring up the pop-up menu. I also think that the "options" menu could be better organized. Options, more options, Basic/Advanced seems like it just grew that way as more "options" got added.

How about Settings (instead of options which sounds like something from Wall Street) with Tabs for Cards and play, Animation, Sound, Kibitzing , Chat, Managing Friends, etc. or some such functional organization? Settings is kind of like "File, Preferences" in windows, or Chrome, Preferences on a Mac.

Settling on Preferences (Mac/Windows), or Settings (like iPhone, iPad...) seems better to me.

[Antrax]

I'm in the camp that prefers pictures of cards, and on a wide-screen monitor, I prefer the new card graphics.

[1eyedjack]

At the risk of appearing to have a jaded perception of my fellow man, I sometimes wonder whether a respectable proportion of complainers are even aware of the availability of diagram mode.

If the complainers are sufficiently averse to the existing pictures of cards display as to warrant the effort of filing a complaint, then I regard it likely that many of those individuals would prefer the diagram mode to the existing pictures of cards mode (even if an improved pictures of cards mode would motivate them to switch back). I speculate that having identified a superior, albeit imperfect (from their viewpoint) diagram mode, a substantial chunk of said players probably would not bother to put pen to paper, or finger to keyboard, to complain about the pictures of cards mode that they have discarded.

It might be interesting to set up the web client interface so that new accounts default alternately to diagram mode and to picture of cards mode at first log in, and then monitor (a) how many of them switch (and from which camp to which), and (b) how many of them from each camp respectively (especially those who do not switch) then complain about the look and feel of the cards displayed.

Another idea might be to set up the web interface to monitor when a new user changes interface (it may already do that), and if he has not TRIED the alternative interface after (say) 5 or 10 logins, then to force it to change to the alternative view, with a message that this was a one time only change and he is free to swap back if he wishes.

[barmar]

FM75, on 2012-December-18, 17:31, said:

How about Settings (instead of options which sounds like something from Wall Street) with Tabs for Cards and play, Animation, Sound, Kibitzing , Chat, Managing Friends, etc. or some such functional organization? Settings is kind of like "File, Preferences" in windows, or Chrome, Preferences on a Mac.

Are you aware that the old version has a tabbed settings dialogue? We don't want to repeat that.

1eyedjack, on 2012-December-19, 01:02, said:

At the risk of appearing to have a jaded perception of my fellow man, I sometimes wonder whether a respectable proportion of complainers are even aware of the availability of diagram mode.

Any time I've suggested that someone switch to diagram mode, they almost always come back "But I prefer cards".

[Dwingo]

The cards in the Mobile version are classy. Can we have them on the web version, please?

[pigpenz]

for me I would give this a 3 on a scale of 10
not really relevant but i guess some people wanted something different

hey or maybe we could change the back of the cards so we could have naked men or ladies
like some of those old risque cards,,,,just joking of course

[dustinst22]

Not really fond of this look.

Guess I'm one of the few that loves how the current web version already looks/functions.

[inquiry]

i like the new look of the cards (i use the hand diagram like books when i play now, i might switch to the card version).

[lycier]

Hi BBO:

This is a feedback report which come from Chinese Forum on the web-client.
As your BBO know,Rain have made a lot of works on your web-client, Here is some feedbacks at my Chinese Forum.
Acording to my experimental investigation,I can able to tell me what our Chinese players are thinking.

1-Most of peoples also love your BBO software client!
Why? reasons at below:

a)View window in the BBO software client is more bigger and more comfortable than other web-client,so please your BBO keep it big and comfortable as possible.
b) We can see "public chat" so as to be easier to look for any random TM at BBO software client,however web-client can unable to afford these functions at present.So,please your BBO help us to get informations rapidly on the random team match,because most of our chinese like playing TM,only.

2-We hope View Window of your web-client make more and more wider and bigger.

a)We hope your BBO can cancel ads at view left side window if agreed.
b)We think the pictures of cards option is very good and acceptable now.
c)There is a important problem about invitational TM showing time. Many of my members have been telling me that the stay time of invitational TM list is too short and sometimes many players can not accept invitation of TM in time on line after the host of TM invite teammates to join a TM.
4)It upgrade slow for the Kibitzers list at your BBO Web-client.

3-Speed and Stability.

We know the network between China and USA is very complicated. Of course,your BBO quality is not bad. some players said to me they are often disconnected.
I have to say Google had withdrawn from China,it affect greatly for our chinese players.I can't visit many bridge websites ,its reasons are complicated ,I can't dare even mutter dissent on the forum.Beg your pardon.
Compared with other server links ,our chinese have to say that China Server improve obviously in connection speed and stability, its effect is very very good !
4-Of importance,I also found surprisedly that I can be able to chat with Taiwanese by Chinese characters,whatever it is simplified characters or traditional Chinese .it is not possible in the past.So congratulate BBO to make a historic progress!

All chinese players are very grateful to your BBO due to China Server!

That's all for today.

Best Regards

Sino Lau

Chinese Forum

[mink]

I have been using the beta client with the new cards for about 2 weeks now. The cards felt a bit strange first, but now I totally used to them. This is probably the problem of all who stick to the windows client because they like the windows cards more - they simply did not try other cards for some period of time.

The new cards rate to be an advantage on relatively small screens, because they are so bold. I am not sure if I return to the original web client cards, because they are nicer and fit on my big display, or if I stick with the new cards. Future users should be able to chose, too - both versions of cards should survive.

Karl

[1eyedjack]

mink, on 2013-January-09, 05:54, said:

This is probably the problem of all who stick to the windows client because they like the windows cards more - they simply did not try other cards for some period of time.
Karl

Please don't presume to speak for others.

[lycier]

Recently I have a investigation on "What are you hoping BBO improvements in 2013",several players hope that when use bboweb client,all of the hands which we played or looked on can be reserved automatically into our computer.