[barmar]

The average TCR for everyone who has played in a tournament since the beginning of November is 88%.

[USViking]

barmar, on 2012-December-03, 12:47, said:

The average TCR for everyone who has played in a tournament since the beginning of November is 88%.

Thank you for the information.

The 80-player field is usually filled for Free Auto Tournaments, but in scanning my results for apprx. the most recent 48 FA tournaments I find only one where 70 players are ranked post-completion.

Does your data inclide people who register to play but are removed for inactivity before they actually play a card?

[Jacki]

This might help:

http://www.bridgebas...tion_rates.html

Jacki

[USViking]

Jacki, on 2012-December-03, 15:59, said:

This might help:

http://www.bridgebas...tion_rates.html

Jacki

Thanks for the link, but I don't see a definition for tournament entry.

[Bbradley62]

USViking, on 2012-December-03, 13:58, said:

Does your data inclide people who register to play but are removed for inactivity before they actually play a card?

A tournament counts if you get "seated", so it does count against you if you are not ready to play when the tournament starts. However, if you register for a tournament and you are either offline or playing in another tournament when it starts, you do not get "seated" for that tournament and it does not count against you.

[jillybean]

ArtK78, on 2012-December-03, 10:56, said:

I don't understand why a player would have a TCR as low as 73%. Perhaps there are mitigating circumstances, as has been suggested. If the failure to complete tournaments is voluntary, then the player has no one to blame but himself.

I've just checked my CR's, my board completion rate is 99% and my tournament completion rate in "unknown".
A few months ago both my BCR and TCR would have been 90+% so you can lose your TCR if you do not play in a certain number
of tournaments per month/week?

I'm happy with a TCR of "unknown", a while ago I vowed to stop playing in these tournaments because they are bad for my game.

[Bbradley62]

In order to have a TCR, you must have played at least 10 tournaments in the past 60 days.

[Zelandakh]

USViking, on 2012-December-03, 12:02, said:

When I leave before TC it is because of embarrassment and exasperation at my results.

USViking, on 2012-December-03, 12:05, said:

People who know me well would be able to tell you my face to face style is pretty much the same as my internet style.

I take it this means that you withdraw from 1 in 4 face to face tournaments from embarassment and exasperation too? If you treat a BBO tournament with the same respect as a face to face tournament then you will not go far wrong. I have never seen anyone leave a face to face tournament for these reasons and I fail to see why this should be different for BBO, with the exception of Robot tournaments that do not impact others.

USViking, on 2012-December-03, 12:02, said:

That must be because of your lofty, not to say elite standards. Congratulations!

Remind us again who is starting the personal attacks? BBradley62 has earned respect by being a constructive forum member. On the other hand, the OP of this thread contains several inaccuracies (73% is "not at all bad"?!) and attacks a BBO policy that is generally seen as being quite effective (with the exception of the min number of tournament requirement, as previously posted). Do you really find an expectation that a player will complete 4 from 5 tournaments as lofty? Elite? It has already been pointed out that the average TCR is close to 90%. That includes those who are indeed playing from countries with considerably poorer internet access than Greensboro. Or, put a different way, the average non-completion rate is 12%; yours is 27% - more than twice as many.

Basically you have 3 possible solutions to this. Either you finish the next tournaments until you get back up to 80%. Or you create a new account and enter 10 tournaments, completing at least 8. In either case, once you have a reasonable TCR you need to control your embarassment and exasperation enough to finish the tournaments that you enter. Or you could simply decide that BBO tournaments are not for you.

In other words, the TCR is doing the job it was intended for; either finish the tournaments that you sign up for or stop entering them. What you seem to have forgotten here is that behind most tournaments are organisers. Players that leave midway through a tournament create a great deal of additional work for these individuals, without which there would be many fewer tournaments available. So it is sensible for BBO to make their life easier at the expense of the few players who find themselves unable to complete tournaments. That is the point of the TCR and the reason why BBO is "in such pain over it", to use your somewhat inaccurate wording.

[quiddity]

USViking, on 2012-December-03, 12:02, said:

I disagree. I have never considered it a serious problem and no one here has explained
why it is they are in such pain over it.

I'm confused. Are we talking about all-human tournaments? If so, doesn't it make sense that leaving early can mess up the rotation, cause other pairs to have idle rounds, throw off matchpoint comparisons for the boards you played, force the director to hunt around for a sub, etc?

[USViking]

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(Bbradley62): A tournament counts if you get "seated", so it does count against you if you are not ready to play when the tournament starts. However, if you register for a tournament and you are either offline or playing in another tournament when it starts, you do not get "seated" for that tournament and it does not count against you.

Thank you for the information.

Aside from the two exceptions noted I take it that if a member is registered in the “Entries” section of a Free Individual Automated Fun tournament at the moment the tournament changes from pending to running then he will be considered “seated” and will receive either a +1 or a -1 toward TCR calculation.

If so then the aggregate TCR for the last 15 unrestricted Free Individual Automated Tournaments I have entered is 71%, and I have in each case eyeballed the number in the “Entries” column within one minute of the changeover from pending to running, in several cases watching at the exact moment the changeover occurred.

[USViking]

Although I thought it was clear enough in context, It is becoming apparent to me that OP should have specified Free Individual Automated Tournaments.

I think my TCR for pairs and member-hosted tournaments is well over 90%. I do not play in enough of them to significantly affect my overall TCR.

(All quotes below by Zelandakh, post #28)

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I take it this means that you withdraw from 1 in 4 face to face tournaments from embarassment and exasperation too? If you treat a BBO tournament with the same respect as a face to face tournament then you will not go far wrong. I have never seen anyone leave a face to face tournament for these reasons and I fail to see why this should be different for BBO, with the exception of Robot tournaments that do not impact others.

I do not agree there is a meaningful analogy between at BBO Free Individual Automated tournaments and face to face human tournaments.

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Remind us again who is starting the personal attacks? BBradley62 has earned respect by being a constructive forum member.

Previously addressed.

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On the other hand, the OP of this thread contains several inaccuracies (73% is "not at all bad"?!) and attacks a BBO policy that is generally seen as being quite effective (with the exception of the min number of tournament requirement, as previously posted).

“Inaccuracy”?

I was making a subjective evaluation, and so are you above. If you have any objective evidence to provide for your subjective evaluation I would like to hear it. As it is this thread is several days old, and no one has provided any such evidence for how leaving a Individual Free Individual Automated Tournament violates BBO published guidelines:

From BBO Help: TCR and MCR Numbers on Profiles

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TCRs are tracked on a rolling 60 days basis, and include all tournaments played on BBO. A minimum of 10 tournament entries is needed before a TCR score can be computed. Finishing the tournament you enter means you get a +1, while not completing the tournament you enter means you get a -1. This is true for any tournament in which your bailing inconveniences other players or TDs, (e.g., any ACBL pairs or Individual, any BBO Turkiye or other private club pairs or Individual game, any Free tourney pairs). (emphasis added-USV)

Only Individual Free Automated tournaments are relevant to the issue I raise, and they are not one of the guideline examples.

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Do you really find an expectation that a player will complete 4 from 5 tournaments as lofty? Elite? It has already been pointed out that the average TCR is close to 90%. That includes those who are indeed playing from countries with considerably poorer internet access than Greensboro. Or, put a different way, the average non-completion rate is 12%; yours is 27% - more than twice as many.

Basically you have 3 possible solutions to this. Either you finish the next tournaments until you get back up to 80%. Or you create a new account and enter 10 tournaments, completing at least 8. In either case, once you have a reasonable TCR you need to control your embarassment and exasperation enough to finish the tournaments that you enter. Or you could simply decide that BBO tournaments are not for you.

The passage above is partly a misunderstanding of what I said and is irrelevant to the issue I raise.

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In other words, the TCR is doing the job it was intended for; either finish the tournaments that you sign up for or stop entering them. What you seem to have forgotten here is that behind most tournaments are organisers.

Previously addressed.

[USViking]

quiddity, on 2012-December-04, 18:08, said:

I'm confused. Are we talking about all-human tournaments? If so, doesn't it make sense that leaving early can mess up the rotation, cause other pairs to have idle rounds, throw off matchpoint comparisons for the boards you played, force the director to hunt around for a sub, etc?

See post #31.

[USViking]

barmar, on 2012-November-30, 18:24, said:

We haven't reduced the opportunity to play in human-only tournaments, have we? We've added lots of robot tournaments, because they're really popular. But all the old human tourneys are still there, too.

Sorry to have missed this earlier.

As noted elswhere subsequently I was referring only to the Individual Free Automated tournaments.

Those now come in three categories: unrestricted, 80% TCR and the new 90% TCR.

The number of unrestricted have been reduced in favor of the other two.

Unsystematic persusal of the completed tournament list of player rankings for all three categories indicates the unrestricted tournaments may draw more TC players per tournament than the other two combined, even though the unrestricted tournaments TC rate is only ~70%.

If so wouldn't the relative popularity of the unrestricted tournaments be favorable grounds for restoring them to their prior frequency?

[rensmic]

when playing casual game with4 friends we are often pressurised by the robot to play faster is it possible to stop this and remove the robot intervention. Thanks

[barmar]

rensmic, on 2020-April-20, 02:24, said:

when playing casual game with4 friends we are often pressurised by the robot to play faster is it possible to stop this and remove the robot intervention. Thanks

You can add +slow+ to the table description to double the amount of time before the warning. And if you either reserve seats or enable "Permission required to play" it goes away completely. This has been asked and answered in a number of other threads.

BTW, why did you ask this in the BBO Tournaments Discussion forum, since it has nothing to do with tournaments?

[jnichols]

USViking, on 2012-December-03, 12:05, said:

People who know me well would be able to tell you my face to face style
is pretty much the same as my internet style. They have thicker skin
certain others do, bless their tolerant hearts!

Your face-to-face style is to leave early in over 25% of your tournaments. Not at my club.
Leave early once you might get away with it.
Twice, you won't get a chance for a third time.