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...or not to bid?

Poll: ...or not to bid? (19 member(s) have cast votes)

Do you bid a natural 2H ?

  1. Of course I bid anytime, it's a bidder's game! (15 votes [78.95%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.95%

  2. I bid, but only if 1NT is 12-14 (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. I bid, but only if 1NT is 15-17 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. No, I don't bid 2H, but I Dbl if 12-14 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. No, I don't bid 2H, but I always Dbl (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. I would have bid at the table - in this poll I won't! (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. I would never bid (3 votes [15.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.79%

Do you like the 2H bid more, if it shows a minor side suit?

  1. I always bid 2H (nat or 2-suiter) (5 votes [26.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.32%

  2. Yes, I like the 2H bid more, if it shows a minor, too (10 votes [52.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.63%

  3. No, I like the 2H bid more, if it is natural (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

  4. No, I never bid 2H (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

Would you be more prone to bid, if you play DONT?

  1. I always bid, and now choose 2D (D+major) (12 votes [63.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.16%

  2. I always bid, and now choose Dbl (one-suiter) (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  3. Yes, 2D if DONT is available rather than 2H (nat) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. No, rather 2H (nat) if that is available, than 2D (DONT) (4 votes [21.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.05%

  5. No, I never bid on this hand (2 votes [10.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.53%

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#1 User is offline   nielsfoged 

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Posted 2012-November-12, 17:37

Team/IMPs a) 1NT=15-17 b) 1NT=12-14

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Posted 2012-November-12, 21:25

Any conventional bid that shows H and another.
"The King of Hearts a broadsword bears, the Queen of Hearts a rose." W. H. Auden.
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Posted 2012-November-16, 15:59

3H=Lebensohl (GF, exactly 4 spades, no heart stopper)

Team/Imps. This is the full deal and bidding.
Maybe a little unfortunate for South, but afterwards, I actually felt I should have foreseen that my 2 bid had little chance of doing any good, and was quite likely to cause troubles for our side rather than the opponents.
Still, the poll shows that >90% of the participants found it a good idea to bid in South. Also at the tables most EW pairs avoided 3NT and successfully reached 4S or 5C instead - something which is not easy to do without interference, if EW opens 15 balanced with 1NT.
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Posted 2012-November-16, 16:29

Never try for a red suit partial when you can set 3NT.
Let this hand be reopening if they stop.
It's a nothing hand against 4S,5C - not even putting
opponents to a tough game decision guess.
Why blab?
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Posted 2012-November-16, 16:43

I show hearts and a minor, or whatever convention fits these suits. If I pass they get to spades and I'm the one left guessing on the 3 level. Or even worse they might transfer to clubs. It's not like you know they will just get to 3NT.
"What's the big rebid problem? After 1♦ - 1♠, I can rebid 1NT, 2♠, or 2♦."
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Posted 2012-November-16, 17:01

I think that east-west should be able to avoid 3NT even when they have the whole auction to themselves.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-November-16, 22:01

I disagree han, at least me I'd jump to 3NT after stayman.

Anyway, if you feel like you don't wanna bid again with this hand in case opponents have a moysan fit in spades that ruffs on the 4s hand but still makes because partner has a yarborough you have an over-learning problem.
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Posted 2012-November-17, 04:02

View Posthan, on 2012-November-16, 17:01, said:

I think that east-west should be able to avoid 3NT even when they have the whole auction to themselves.

How?

Rainer Herrmann
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Posted 2012-November-17, 05:48

View Postrhm, on 2012-November-17, 04:02, said:

How?

As responder I would show a game-force with 4-5 in the black suits, by whatever means the partnership uses. If that were all that opener knew, he wouldn't choose to play 3NT.

This in itself isn't a perfect solution - if the hands were KQxx Ax xx QJxxx and AJx xxxx K10x AKx we'd want to be in 3NT. It wouldn't usually cost to reach 4, but it would be disappointing to get to 5.

If your methods allow you to bid
1NT-2
2-3
3
showing values in diamonds, that would do the job. You'd get to 4 or 5 opposite the original responding hand, and 3NT opposite the one with Ax.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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