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如何区分信号?

#1 User is offline   lycier 

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Posted 2012-November-11, 02:42

View Postawm, on 2012-November-10, 18:29, said:



1. A-2-J-6

This hand is interesting as a defensive signalling hand. At the table, I see two legitimate ways of setting the contract. Partner can either have xxx Jxx xxxxxx A (club to the ace, heart back, club ruff), or Qxx JTx Kxxxx xx (K, then wait for slow and ).

How would you signal in your partnership to differentiate between the two?


本题面拷贝字BBO有趣桥牌论坛,很有难度。
首攻A---2---J---6后,问题来了:
这是一幅很有趣的防守信号牌,而我看到可能存在两种合理的牌面:
1-同伴即可能是:XXX Jxx XXXXXX A(同伴打J的意思是换攻,再回,再将吃
2-同伴也可能是:QXX JTx KXXXX xx(同伴的意思是继续打K,以后徐图)

请问:你和你的同伴对上述两种情况是如何区分信号的?
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Posted 2012-November-11, 08:18

我的信号知识学习和理解运用,都需要恶补,恭听各位详细论述。


如果是标准信号,同伴攻A后,我给J:通常是鼓励同伴继续兑现K,不要被庄家迅速垫了H。自己手里拿着肯定的将牌Q,以及DK或CA中一个,更像是短套中DK。

如果反式信号,J当然是不欢迎了。那只有换攻,应该是有DK和CA,警示同伴换攻D。(如有最高牌面的对应较低花色这一说,则依约定——显然是C缺门或单A)
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Posted 2012-November-11, 09:06

哪位对信号掌握好的,请给大家做个关键性的讲解。不是简单的一、二轮,而是一揽子的连续运用。
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Posted 2012-November-11, 21:54

就反式信号系统请教过多位朋友,所给答案不一,大多数朋友认为反式信号只针对态度信号和牌张信号,其余按标准信号。如果按这个思路,那么持第一手牌XXX Jxx XXXXXX A时垫H最小张请同伴换攻C,这时的小并不是欢迎搭档继续攻H,因为继续攻H明手的HQ将做大,这是我们所不愿看到的;持第2手牌QXX JTx KXXXX xx时垫HJ就表示不欢迎同伴继续出H,而请同伴换攻D :)
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Posted 2012-November-12, 00:37

按照反式信号,J是不欢迎继续。如果是第1副那样的持牌,不能跟J,只能跟三张中的中间一个,希望同伴能理解是不欢迎继续,且换攻;如果是第二副,则J,不欢迎继续并希望回攻
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Posted 2012-November-12, 18:42

View Post601821297, on 2012-November-11, 21:54, said:

就反式信号系统请教过多位朋友,所给答案不一,大多数朋友认为反式信号只针对态度信号和牌张信号,其余按标准信号。如果按这个思路,那么持第一手牌XXX Jxx XXXXXX A时垫H最小张请同伴换攻C,这时的小并不是欢迎搭档继续攻H,因为继续攻H明手的HQ将做大,这是我们所不愿看到的;持第2手牌QXX JTx KXXXX xx时垫HJ就表示不欢迎同伴继续出H,而请同伴换攻D :)



Hi, 从字面上来看 UDCA(Upside Down Count and Attitude)反式的含义应该只包括张数和姿态信号。对于花色信号,不知道支持也反过来的想法,认为反过来有什么好处呢?
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Posted 2012-November-12, 20:50

shingkit好,一般认为花色选择信号,也就是要花色信号不反,如果你和搭档约定反也是可以的。好处:迷惑敌方 :P
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Posted 2012-November-12, 22:37

按我个人理解并与搭档约定是:垫一个不必要大牌作为警示信号,那么第二手看HAK DK SQ赢墩,完全没必要垫J,正常次序是x鼓励-HJ要花色续攻D;对于第一手牌,就需要用垫不必要大牌表示警示(强烈)要求换攻,当然从明手牌看出,庄家有CA换攻D毫无前途,只能寄希望CA并将吃,幸好可以保留了HK进手。
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Posted 2012-November-15, 21:32

如果反式信号包括垫大牌即表示不欢迎和换攻最低的(全反着)花色多好!
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Posted 2012-November-15, 21:34

如果反式信号包括垫大牌即表示不欢迎和换攻最低的(全反着)花色多好!
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