[wank]

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cue, keycard, punt or ask for the dummy?

added question: do you agree with 3♠?

lest there be any doubt, 2♦ was 1RF, 3♠ was GF

[CSGibson]

 wank, on 2012-February-14, 23:40, said:

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cue, keycard, punt or ask for the dummy?

lest there be any doubt, 2♦ was 1RF, 3♠ was GF

I'm done. I don't think partner can have 2 keycards and enough of a hand to get rid of all my heart losers without making a cue bid of either clubs or hearts (both of which I think would be unambiguously in support of spades)

[JLOGIC]

Easy pass if we trust partner

[wank]

ok i passed, but i suspected it might one of those situations where i'm always thinking the glass is half empty.

[HighLow21]

I think 3♠ rebid gave the full value of the hand and partner made a decision. A lot depends on how much the partnership will stretch to compete over the 2♣ overcall. If 2♦ doesn't promise 10+, which I don't think it should, then 4♠ seems fine to me. But I wouldn't be surprised to see 12 cold tricks a fair amount of the time.

[Fluffy]

thikning partner might have AQxxx and outside ace (hopefully hearts) is no that hard. But its more unlikelly than going down at the 5 level.

[benlessard]

3S is a very nice bid, its almost pointless to show the H here as a 4-4 fit wont produce more tricks than spades. It would be sad to waste the 3S bid by overidding partner. 3S set S as trumps, so partner has 3/4 (depending if 3Nt is to play) slam try available and he choose 4S so hes going to have some crap not 2 aces and a working Q.

[whereagles]

Seems like an easy 4NT to me. Pretty normal to find pard with ♥A and ♦AQ.

[Cyberyeti]

 benlessard, on 2012-February-15, 23:50, said:

3S is a very nice bid, its almost pointless to show the H here as a 4-4 fit wont produce more tricks than spades. It would be sad to waste the 3S bid by overidding partner. 3S set S as trumps, so partner has 3/4 (depending if 3Nt is to play) slam try available and he choose 4S so hes going to have some crap not 2 aces and a working Q.

Well tbf he doesn't know ♦AQxxx(x) is a working Q, it's not great opposite a stiff, even ♦Axxxxx and ♥A may well be plenty.

I'm fortunate to have a GF not necessarily balanced 2N rebid available in my system, so get some more information before bidding 3♠.

[mikeh]

Unless 2♦ promised a gf, I'm done. Bidding again assumes either an unlikely combination of 'magic' cards or that partner messed up by not making a cue.

We may miss slam, but I have no call over 4♠ that tells me that I can bid slam safely anyway. While 2 keycards sort of forces me to bid slam, there are lots of layouts on which 2 keycards simply isn't enough.

It's not that we don't have 5 level safety....we probably do....it's more that I won't be able to tell what to do after having forced to the 5-level....often times, when keycard isn't adequate, we can resort to cuebidding, but we can't effectively do so here, imo.

[Poky]

Bidding 3♠ with a nut-hand instead a space-preserving 3♣ is pretty bad.

But if I was forced to bid against myself, keycard now should be obvious.

[ArtK78]

 Poky, on 2012-February-17, 06:33, said:

Bidding 3♠ with a nut-hand instead a space-preserving 3♣ is pretty bad.

But if I was forced to bid against myself, keycard now should be obvious.

I like 3♠. 3♣ should imply diamonds.

[gszes]

 wank, on 2012-February-14, 23:40, said:

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cue, keycard, punt or ask for the dummy?

added question: do you agree with 3♠?

lest there be any doubt, 2♦ was 1RF, 3♠ was GF

seems unbelievable to me that noone wants to bid
2h (over 2d 1rf). We can always override with spades
whatever p may want to do later. Letting p know about
at least 9 of the cards in our hand allows them to
make much better decisions on how their hand fits
with ours.

There is no reason slam is out of the question and
2h keeps the bidding as low as possible and allows
for as much exploration as possible.

imagine p has
x QJT Axxxxx Axx

bidding goes 1s 2c (opp) 2d 2h 2n 4s
p knows you have indpendent spade suit
and your delayed jump indicates at least
mild slam interest (principal of fast
arrival). What other bidding sequence
allows p to know the full value of their
heart holding?? If p trusts you at all
they would jump to 6s with that hand.

[cloa513]

 gszes, on 2012-February-18, 17:18, said:

seems unbelievable to me that noone wants to bid
2h (over 2d 1rf). We can always override with spades
whatever p may want to do later. Letting p know about
at least 9 of the cards in our hand allows them to
make much better decisions on how their hand fits
with ours.

There is no reason slam is out of the question and
2h keeps the bidding as low as possible and allows
for as much exploration as possible.

imagine p has
x QJT Axxxxx Axx

bidding goes 1s 2c (opp) 2d 2h 2n 4s
p knows you have indpendent spade suit
and your delayed jump indicates at least
mild slam interest (principal of fast
arrival). What other bidding sequence
allows p to know the full value of their
heart holding?? If p trusts you at all
they would jump to 6s with that hand.

What about
xx AQxx J10xxx Ax or even better hearts- then 6♥ is better than 6♠.

[bluecalm]

i would bid 2h but you need some good system later to show shape and strangth which might be difficult to achieve as 2D is not yet GF.