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Which fit is best?

Poll: Which fit is best? (17 member(s) have cast votes)

6/1 or 4/4

  1. 6/1 (1 votes [5.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  2. 4/4 (16 votes [94.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 94.12%

6/0 or 4/3

  1. 6/0 (5 votes [29.41%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 29.41%

  2. 4/3 (12 votes [70.59%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 70.59%

6/0 or 5/2

  1. 6/0 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 5/2 (17 votes [100.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 100.00%

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Posted 2011-December-18, 12:56

Assuming average hand strength and suit texture, which fit scores most tricks?

6.....1
4.....4
2.....4
1.....4

the 6/1 or 4/4?

6.....0
4.....3
2.....5
1.....5

The 6/0 or the 4/3? Not leaving the 2-5 option open

6.....0
5.....2
1.....6
1.....5

The 6/0 or the 5/2? Not leaving the 6/1 option open

Anyone care to run a simulation?
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Posted 2011-December-18, 13:07

The 3 easiest bridge questions ive ever seen. Kindergarden bridge questions. I really don't understand what point your trying to make.
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Posted 2011-December-18, 13:37

I guess I'm a kindergardener. I have an opinion for all 3, but I'd like to see some confirmation. I think we're looking at tricks from a cross-ruff vs tricks from having one's six-card suit be trump.
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Posted 2011-December-18, 14:01

Difficult to answer in a vacuum IMO, without having complete context of the hand, like side suits, trump split, etc...
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Posted 2011-December-18, 14:04

I would think that overall strength matters. The weaker we are, the more I would want to be in my six-card suit. The stronger, then in the 7-cd fit.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 00:40

Thanks to those that answered the poll. I had thought there might be some support for playing in a 6-0 vs a 5-2. The 5-2 doesn't offer much cross-ruff opportunity and after being tapped, I would think that the 6-cd suit would not provide a source of tricks.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 01:43

Here are my simulation results for your three scenarios.

In each case I have used double dummy results and restricted the declaring side to have 18-22 hcp (average hands).

I did do some smaller simulations unrestricted in hcp. The results were similar.

The number at the end of each data set is the average number of double dummy tricks made.

6421 1444
Spade Fit
0	0
1	0
2	0
3	0
4	1
5	17
6	98
7	244
8	371
9	193
10	63
11	13
12	0
13	0
	7.863

Heart Fit	
0	0
1	0
2	0
3	0
4	1
5	1
6	26
7	105
8	276
9	344
10	203
11	39
12	5
13	0
	8.723
	
	
6421 0355
Spade Fit	
0	0
1	0
2	0
3	0
4	18
5	80
6	253
7	339
8	239
9	66
10	4
11	1
12	0
13	0
	6.92

Heart Fit	
0	0
1	0
2	0
3	1
4	8
5	24
6	101
7	309
8	385
9	148
10	21
11	3
12	0
13	0
	7.579

6511 	0265
Spade Fit	
0	0
1	0
2	0
3	1
4	1
5	32
6	118
7	215
8	140
9	38
10	5
11	2
12	0
13	0
	7.09058

Heart Fit	
0	0
1	0
2	0
3	0
4	1
5	9
6	61
7	168
8	196
9	95
10	16
11	6
12	0
13	0
	7.68116
	

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Posted 2011-December-19, 09:01

Hi Wayne. Thanks a lot for that.
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Posted 2011-December-19, 14:14

View Poststraube, on 2011-December-19, 00:40, said:

Thanks to those that answered the poll. I had thought there might be some support for playing in a 6-0 vs a 5-2. The 5-2 doesn't offer much cross-ruff opportunity and after being tapped, I would think that the 6-cd suit would not provide a source of tricks.


Yeah but 7>6!
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Posted 2011-December-28, 17:16

If the 6 carder is like AKQJxx I don't worry of missing out on a side 44 fit :)
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Posted 2011-December-29, 05:37

I prefer a 6-0 to a 4-3, but have no evidence to back this up!
It certainly does seem to depend upon hand strength, as well as suit strength. I higher hand strength / lower suit strength pushes me more towards 4-3, and higher suit strength / lower hand strength pushes me towards the 6-0.
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Posted 2011-December-30, 02:09

I prefer the 6-1 over the 6-0 :rolleyes:
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