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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2011-October-27, 05:11

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Posted 2011-October-27, 05:15

I have 0 tricks, unless I can (over)ruff a ♦, so I'll pass.
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Posted 2011-October-27, 05:34

I don't want to get partner excited, I pass, too.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-October-27, 07:30

depends on your doubling structure. If partner's bidding shows the equivalent of a strong 2♣ then call 3♠. If your partner has some discretion between 2, 3, and 4 ♠ then while he holds xtras pass should be clear.
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Posted 2011-October-27, 12:22

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-October-27, 07:30, said:

depends on your doubling structure. If partner's bidding shows the equivalent of a strong 2♣ then call 3♠. If your partner has some discretion between 2, 3, and 4 ♠ then while he holds xtras pass should be clear.


Are you afraid that with a hand where partner would have opened a Strong 2♣ and then would have jumped to 3♠ he will sell out to the opponents playing 3♣? Just how conservative (chicken) is your partner?
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Posted 2011-October-27, 12:25

View Postkenrexford, on 2011-October-27, 12:22, said:

Are you afraid that with a hand where partner would have opened a Strong 2♣ and then would have jumped to 3♠ he will sell out to the opponents playing 3♣? Just how conservative (chicken) is your partner?

I expect 4♠ shows a hand stronger than 3♠ shows a hand stronger than 2♠ shows more than a minimum TOX
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Posted 2011-October-27, 12:41

View Postpooltuna, on 2011-October-27, 12:25, said:

I expect 4♠ shows a hand stronger than 3♠ shows a hand stronger than 2♠ shows more than a minimum TOX


I'm not sure what all of this means, then.

It seems like you are saying that if 2♠ is only sufficient for a 2♠ call, then you pass, but if 2♠ shows a hand where partner should or could have bid 3♠, then you would bid 3♠. But, if that is true, then I think my question remains valid -- why bid 3♠ simply to ensure that partner, who should not pass 3♣ when bidding to 3♠ is right, does not pass 3♣?

Maybe bidding 3♠ as Advancer is right or wrong, but your reasoning as to why seems to imply protection against an idiot partner rather than making a valid, descriptive call. But that might just be my take.
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Posted 2011-October-27, 13:24

The 2♠ bid shows a good hand not a rock crusher, 3♠ shows that.

I pass, over to pard and believe strongly that this kind of decision belongs to pass out seat. ie. Pard can double and then I will bid.
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Posted 2011-October-28, 03:53

If I read it correctly, what the tuna is saying in his second post is that 2S is weaker than 3S and 3S is weaker than 4S, and that all 3 are stronger than a minimum take-out double. Note also that with a 2C opener Doubler could have bid 2D (or 4S). I would tend to agree with this and 2S shows about 16-20 or so for me. However, if 2S was defined as worth a 2C opener (as per tuna's first post) then I would certainly not consider a 3S call but instead be going for 4S, which ought to show a weak hand without any key cards.
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Posted 2011-October-28, 12:10

I would bid 3♠, but then again, I would have 3♦ available to show a decent raise to 3♠.

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Posted 2011-October-29, 13:27

I think pass is better, especially with random Dutch partners.
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