[mgoetze]

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1NT was forcing or semiforcing or whatever, you are not playing Gazzilli or anything of the sort.

[helene_t]

3♥.

[jdeegan]

Yoicks! I think I would probably bid 2♦ and hope for the best. Anything could be the winning call. My second choice is 3NT.

[aguahombre]

 jdeegan, on 2011-September-03, 19:37, said:

Yoicks! I think I would probably bid 2♦ and hope for the best. Anything could be the winning call. My second choice is 3NT.

really? It is a pretty nice control hand. 3H, then 4D if pard bids 3S....and flip a coin if pard bids 3Nt between pass and 4D seems to be a plan.

[neilkaz]

This is a nice hand and they give a bonus for making games so I'll take my chances and GF with 3♥

[mike777]

 mgoetze, on 2011-September-03, 15:08, said:

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1NT was forcing or semiforcing or whatever, you are not playing Gazzilli or anything of the sort.

If 3h aint standard ....sigh....

[jmcw]

Count me in on the GF 3♥ and I'm passing 3NT.
It seems the least of evils...2♥ doesn't quite cut it, and raising NT with a void would not occur to me.

[ArtK78]

This question has nothing to do with 2/1. It has everything to do with methods for rebids after a forcing 1NT.

When I played with Dave Treadwell, we played that a 3♥ rebid guaranteed 5-5 or better in the majors.

With 5-4 and a strong hand, the rebid was 3♣ (artificial), showing either 5-4 strong in the majors or 5-4 or better in spades and clubs. Responder would bid 3♦ and opener would bid 3♥ with 5-4 in the majors and something else with the black suits.

It was my understanding from Dave that this treatment was not uncommon.

With another partner, we play a rebid structure over a forcing 1NT. In this auction, 3♣ is artificial showing a game forcing one or two suiter. 3♦ or 3♥ would show a strong but not forcing hand with spades and the bid suit, 5-5.

Without any special agreements, 3♥ is normal on this hand. But there are many who play other methods.

[the hog]

3H for me also. Not playing anything special, 3H seems automatic.

[aguahombre]

 ArtK78, on 2011-September-03, 23:10, said:

This question has nothing to do with 2/1. It has everything to do with methods for rebids after a forcing 1NT.

When I played with Dave Treadwell, we played that a 3♥ rebid guaranteed 5-5 or better in the majors.

Without any special agreements, 3♥ is normal on this hand. But there are many who play other methods.

Very true, but it was also Dave who recommended (1M) 3M to show a stopper in the major and ask pard to bid 3NT with a long running suit somewhere. Most people play "Reverse Treadwell", and we had to guess when he was really serious.

However, without the gadgets you mentioned...unfortunately 3H is the default rebid.

[ArtK78]

 aguahombre, on 2011-September-03, 23:21, said:

Very true, but it was also Dave who recommended (1M) 3M to show a stopper in the major and ask pard to bid 3NT with a long running suit somewhere. Most people play "Reverse Treadwell", and we had to guess when he was really serious.

However, without the gadgets you mentioned...unfortunately 3H is the default rebid.

Dave was rarely serious.

[Lurpoa]

 mgoetze, on 2011-September-03, 15:08, said:

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1NT was forcing or semiforcing or whatever, you are not playing Gazzilli or anything of the sort.

♥♥♥

It is never whatever, my dear ♥.

We think you should have agreed that with partner.

It might influence the further bidding.

♥♥♥

[mgoetze]

 ArtK78, on 2011-September-03, 23:10, said:

This question has nothing to do with 2/1. It has everything to do with methods for rebids after a forcing 1NT.

And of course, the forcing 1NT has nothing to do with 2/1. Anyway, I know this hand can be better if you have methods. Personally I would have loved to be playing Gazzilli. But I wasn't when the hand came up, so I asked what the best bid is with no special methods.

[Free]

3♥ wtp

[mich-b]

3♥ now , maybe a problem on the next round.

[whereagles]

3H seems canonical, though 2H might make our task easier next round (if there is one lol).

[Flem72]

 mgoetze, on 2011-September-03, 15:08, said:

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1NT was forcing or semiforcing or whatever, you are not playing Gazzilli or anything of the sort.

The problem is that even a very weak perfecto has a great play for 6H or 6D, e.g.,

xx
(QJTx)
(Qxx)
xxxx,

and almost any good 1NTF hand, 9+, will make game (my partner would hold xx xxx xxx AKQxx ). But where are the Cs?

I'm 90% expecting partner to do a drop-dead in Cs, so s/he may as well do it over 3H. Whatever, I'm calling 4D next, and hoping I don't hear 5C on

xx
xx
xx
KQxxxxx.

Regards and Happy Trails,

Scott Needham
Boulder, Colorado, USA

[FrancesHinden]

I'm not disputing that 3H is canonical with no particular methods, but I might bid 2H. Particularly if partner is in the 'respond on anything' camp. If he always has 6 HCP for 1NT, then OK I suppose 3H it is.
I know I will look stupid opposite xx Qxxx QJxx xxx when both majors break and 12 tricks roll in, but this is my compromise in favour of getting to e.g. 6D easily.

[Fluffy]

3♥ if playing nothing, 2NT GF otherwise

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Most have agreed to Opener's GF SJS of 3♥ .

Now we are ready to see Responder's hand to see what his rebid should be .