[Hanoi5]

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Imp's

[Cyberyeti]

Hanoi5, on 2011-June-19, 10:23, said:

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Imp's

Yuck, depends on your agreement.

If 2N is 15-17/16-18 I'm bidding 5♠

If 2N is 17-19 or better I'm bidding 5N as 2 places to play

[jjbrr]

i'd just double and go plus

[jonottawa]

Anything but double is a pretty deep position to take imo.

[AlexJonson]

I was voted wrong last time, but 300 v 650 is still -8 imps.

Slam is pushing it a bit, so 5S for me.

[MickyB]

2NT implies reasonable hearts. With a marginal heart holding, partner will tend towards 2NT over double when lacking spade length. Bidding here is nuts.

[JLOGIC]

Pass seems pretty obv to me, how bad will it be if partner bids something?

[frank0]

JLOGIC, on 2011-June-19, 20:06, said:

Pass seems pretty obv to me, how bad will it be if partner bids something?

Is forcing pass on in this auction?

[mtvesuvius]

frank0, on 2011-June-19, 20:12, said:

Is forcing pass on this auction?

We're R/W, partner made a strong call, and North is clearly pre-empting. I don't see how they can't be on. I probably would double at the table, but now that Justin has pointed it out I like pass.

[dake50]

Partner has 3xA and the CQ+DK+SJ. I'm slamming. 6C.
They may even sacrifice 7H after we guess 6S; or 6H if we guess 6C.

[pooltuna]

JLOGIC, on 2011-June-19, 20:06, said:

Pass seems pretty obv to me, how bad will it be if partner bids something?

Let me see if I understand you correctly. You are passing the hand with 5/5 in the blacks expecting the 2NT bidder to make a call after the auction has gone (2♥) 2NT (5♥) P; (P) ?

[pooltuna]

frank0, on 2011-June-19, 20:12, said:

Is forcing pass on in this auction?

Sorry but sometimes I can't really tell. You are joking right?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

X.

Take your money and run.

Playing MP it would be more problematic, but
if you only get 500 (or 300) instead of 620
that wont be the end.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Phil]

pooltuna, on 2011-June-20, 07:21, said:

Sorry but sometimes I can't really tell. You are joking right?

PT, many play that when the opponents are 'obviously' sacrificing, that a forcing pass applies even if we haven't shown any values. Double in this context would mean, I don't like my hand, bid at your own peril, and pass is essentially takeout. Partner is encouraged to bid or double (but not pass).

[whereagles]

Dbl. The rest is too much of a guess to me.

[Cyberyeti]

whereagles, on 2011-June-20, 15:32, said:

Dbl. The rest is too much of a guess to me.

Dbl is no guaranteed winner, partner is allowed to be dealt AJx, AQ, xxx, AQxxx and you haven't actually beaten 5♥ yet. (Give opener xxxx, J109xxx, Axx, void and partner x, Kxxx KQxxx, xxx) extreme maybe, but don't assume you're getting rich out of this. Since it looks like opps only have 9-10 hearts between them missing some high honours, I think you can assume the 5♥ bidder has a long suit of his own which looks like diamonds, so they probably have quite a few tricks. It can be just as bad if partner has ♥Axx and ♦ Qx or possibly Kx.

[MrAce]

Although it breaks a lot of rules of forcing pass, i think it makes sense to play this pass forcing.

We are talking about a hand where we did not establish the ownership of the hand

We are talking about a player's first pass to be forcing when his pd did not make a game forcing bid but a good limit hand which can be as light as 15 hcp.

On the other hand we (at least me seeing 10 hcp vs a pd who overcalled 2NT) know they are obviously saving.

I have 2 games left to me to play, 5♠ or 5 NT. Our side has 25-28 hcps, 2 games left available, and a fit to find at or above 5 level. And whats pd's ♥ honor ? Ax ? Kx ? AQ ? AK ? KQ ? KJ ? AJ ? Only thing i like among those is Ax.

How can i make a forcing pass after thinking/hesitating too much I'd DBL. I know we are very close to slam but i have too much doubts and when in doubt i am chicken. Most of these doubts could be cleared by a forcing pass, if i only could pass w/o hesitation. I dont think TD will buy the argument that this pass is obvious forcing for every player.

Nice hand Hanoi +1

[jmcw]

I'm not passing. I bid 5♠, my best chance to show decent values with ♠. I expect a double fit in the blacks and partner will have a high ♦ card for his bid so I expect to make.

[ArtK78]

Yes, defending 5♥ could be our last plus score, but I would hate to go back to my teammates +100 while 11 or 12 tricks in a black suit are there for the taking. And there is no guarantee that we are going plus against 5♥.

I am bidding 5♠. It may be wrong, but anything could be wrong. If it is wrong, it doesn't rate to be very wrong.

[MrAce]

ArtK78, on 2011-June-20, 20:04, said:

I am bidding 5♠. It may be wrong, but anything could be wrong. If it is wrong, it doesn't rate to be very wrong.

Whether it is wrong or right, 5♠ is shutting down pd's cooperation.

Its like a 1 way street, no turning back. Pd will pass regardless of how many ♣ he has. If my options are limited to play 5♠ and 5♥ DBLed, i wld definetely go with DBL. What makes a "forcing pass" so attractive is, it involves pd in the decision process.

You may argue (and i would agree with u ) that DBL is no different than 5♠ when it comes to cooperation of pd. As i said if i cld solve the forcing pass situation and could pass without hesitation, i would go for it.