[Quantumcat]

Most people I know play transfers over a 2NT rebid.

e.g.

With 4-4 in majors:

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♥
3♠ 3NT

With 5-4 in majors:

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♦
3♥ 3♠
4♠

With 4 of a major, and a minor offering an alternate contract:

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♣*
3♦ 3NT
pass**

*=5 diamonds and 4 hearts, not certain about 3NT
**=I am perfectly comfortable in 3NT thankyou

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♣*
3♠** 3NT

**=not hugely keen on playing in diamonds, but I do have some stuff in spades if that can help you to bid 3NT

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♣*
3♠** 3NT
4♦*** ...

*** Ok I lied. I LOVE diamonds!! 3♠ was actually a cue, just in case you have any slam interest now that we've got a fit

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♠
4♣* 4♦**
6♣

*= if you aren't certain about 3NT and have four or more clubs, I'd rather play in 5♣
**= cool, well I'm interested in slam and have a diamond control

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Quantumcat....

Here is a hand from Sept, 2009 about what to do over the 2NT rebid:

http://www.bridgebas...__1#entry393388

Transfers ( among other methods ) were mentioned but no complete sequence was given.
How would you handle this using Transfers?

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Edit: 1D open ( not 1C )

[han]

How about making a splinter?

I also like to play transfers with the Wortel adjunct: 3C is either diamonds or a single suited slam try. Over 3D you bid 3H to show the slam try. 3D followed by 4D shows hearts and diamonds.

[y66]

Here's what I was taught a few years ago:

1m - 1M - 2nt - ?

3c = Puppet to 3d
3d = NMF
3M = Natural, gf
3oM = Equal length (H then S = 4-4, S then H = 5-5)
3nt = Obv

1m - 1M - 2nt - 3c - 3d - ?

3M = To Play
3oM = Slam-try in om (m opener didn't open)
3nt = Slam-try in opener's m.

[Quantumcat]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-May-18, 08:14, said:

How would you handle this using Transfers?

1♦ 1♥
2NT 3♦
3♥ 4♥
4NT 5♣
6♥

- Transferring then bidding game in that suit shows a bit of slam interest. He can't self-splinter in opener's suit. With no slam interest, bid 4♥ instead of 3♦.

- If opener would accept a slam invitation and he has three or more hearts, he would cue instead of accepting the transfer (this will also get them to game if responder had a really weak hand and was intending to sign-off in 3♥).

- Opener accepted the slam interest, and checked to make sure they weren't missing both ♥K and ♣A (unlikely if he has slam interest, but just in case).

However, if the opening was clubs:

1♣ 1♥
2NT 4♦
4♠ 5♥
6♥

- 4♦ is a self-splinter: slam-invitational or better in hearts.

- Opener cuebids (to accept the invitation if it is one) instead of keycarding, since responder is the one who knows what the values are.

- Responder obviously has some club losers, which opener can take care of.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

thx, Quantumcat for your additional sequences... including the "sign-off caution" for Opener when Responder transfers to his bid major ; and the "self-splinter " for Responder.

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y66 .... I use the same sequences for the 4-4 and 5-5 in the Majors ( in the context of the Wolff Relay ).
But I'm a tad worried about your inability to show a 4-5 or 5-4 since you use 3oM! as an om slamtry:
1m - 1M
2NT - 3C! ( force to 3D!)
3D! - 3oM! = slamtry in other-minor ( om )
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Using Wolff, 3C always "asks for 4 cards Hts" so 3D ( by Responder ) is always natural, GF ( ... your relay unnecessarily "wastes" a bid .... although I see where you can "get out" at 3D your way ) .

With Wolff 3C! will show either a) sign-off, b ) the 4/5 or 5/4, or c) 4 cards M and 4+cards Cl:
1C - 1H
2NT - 3C!
3D!( no 4h ) - ??

3H = sign-off
3S = 4s/5h, GF 7+hcp, unbalanced
3NT = 4h/4+c; 10-12 hcp
4NT = 4h/4+c; 13+ hcp, slammish

whereas:
1C - 1S
2NT - 3C!
3D!( no 4h ) - ??

3H = 5s/4h, GF 7+hcp, unbalanced
3S = sign-off ( also a sign-off if Opener replied 3H = 4 cards Hts )
3NT = 4s/4+c; 10-12 hcp
4NT = 4s/4+c, 13+hcp, slammish

and:
1C/1D - 1H/1S
2NT - 3D = natural, 4h or 4s w/4+d, GF 7+hcp

[jdeegan]

There are a lot of interesting special systems to play in this auction. In the simple game 3♠ shows 4-4 in the majors with no interest in 3 card ♥ support. Otherwise you bid the other minor.

[Lurpoa]

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-May-19, 13:21, said:

thx, Quantumcat for your additional sequences... including the "sign-off caution" for Opener when Responder transfers to his bid major ; and the "self-splinter " for Responder.

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y66 .... I use the same sequences for the 4-4 and 5-5 in the Majors ( in the context of the Wolff Relay ).
But I'm a tad worried about your inability to show a 4-5 or 5-4 since you use 3oM! as an om slamtry:
1m - 1M
2NT - 3C! ( force to 3D!)
3D! - 3oM! = slamtry in other-minor ( om )
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Using Wolff, 3C always "asks for 4 cards Hts" so 3D ( by Responder ) is always natural, GF ( ... your relay unnecessarily "wastes" a bid .... although I see where you can "get out" at 3D your way ) .

With Wolff 3C! will show either a) sign-off, b ) the 4/5 or 5/4, or c) 4 cards M and 4+cards Cl:
1C - 1H
2NT - 3C!
3D!( no 4h ) - ??

3H = sign-off
3S = 4s/5h, GF 7+hcp, unbalanced
3NT = 4h/4+c; 10-12 hcp
4NT = 4h/4+c; 13+ hcp, slammish

whereas:
1C - 1S
2NT - 3C!
3D!( no 3h ) - ??

3H = 5s/4h, GF 7+hcp, unbalanced
3S = sign-off ( also a sign-off if Opener replied 3H = 4 cards Hts )
3NT = 4s/4+c; 10-12 hcp
4NT = 4s/4+c, 13+hcp, slammish

and:
1C/1D - 1H/1S
2NT - 3D = natural, 4h or 4s w/4+d, GF 7+hcp

Yes, very nice...
Make sure your partner's understanding of those sequences is the same.....

[MrAce]

 Quantumcat, on 2011-May-17, 19:31, said:

Most people I know play transfers over a 2NT rebid.

e.g.

With 4-4 in majors:

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♥
3♠ 3NT

With 5-4 in majors:

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♦
3♥ 3♠
4♠

With 4 of a major, and a minor offering an alternate contract:

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♣*
3♦ 3NT
pass**

*=5 diamonds and 4 hearts, not certain about 3NT
**=I am perfectly comfortable in 3NT thankyou

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♣*
3♠** 3NT

**=not hugely keen on playing in diamonds, but I do have some stuff in spades if that can help you to bid 3NT

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♣*
3♠** 3NT
4♦*** ...

*** Ok I lied. I LOVE diamonds!! 3♠ was actually a cue, just in case you have any slam interest now that we've got a fit

1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♠
4♣* 4♦**
6♣

*= if you aren't certain about 3NT and have four or more clubs, I'd rather play in 5♣
**= cool, well I'm interested in slam and have a diamond control

I assume

1♣--1♥
2NT--3♦
3♥-3NT asking for COG with only 5♥

But what do you do with 6♥ only game hands or slamish hands ? Perhaps xfer to ♥ and then bid 4♥ or 4x with slamis and just bid 4♥ over 2 NT with game only hands ?

Also what do these bids show in this method ?

1♣--1♥
2NT--4♣ or 4♦ or 4♥ or 4♠ ?

Thanks

[straube]

3C-3D,
.....3H-slam try with 6 hearts
.....3S-diamonds
.....3N-5 hearts, demands a correction to 4H with 3 (i.e. distributional hand and possible mild slam interest)

3D-3H
.....3S-4 spades, 5 hearts
.....3N-5 hearts, choice of games

3H-shows 4S/4H

3S-clubs

[gnasher]

 MrAce, on 2011-June-04, 15:01, said:

I assume

1♣--1♥
2NT--3♦
3♥-3NT asking for COG with only 5♥

Yes

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But what do you do with 6♥ only game hands or slamish hands ? Perhaps xfer to ♥ and then bid 4♥ or 4x with slamis and just bid 4♥ over 2 NT with game only hands ?

That's what I play. Responder can also transfer to hearts and then cue-bid a minor.

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Also what do these bids show in this method ?

1♣--1♥
2NT--4♣ or 4♦ or 4♥ or 4♠ ?

4♣, 4♦ and 4♠ should be whatever you normally use tham for when hearts are trumps. In my partnerships that means splinter, splinter and Exclusion respectively.
4♥ is to play, since transfer-and-raise is a slam try.

[Quantumcat]

 MrAce, on 2011-June-04, 15:01, said:

I assume

1♣--1♥
2NT--3♦
3♥-3NT asking for COG with only 5♥

Yup - 5 hearts and game values only

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But what do you do with 6♥ only game hands

1♣ 1♥
2NT 4♥ = 6+ hearts, only game

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or slamish hands ?

With 5 hearts and slam invite:
1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♦
3♥ 4NT

(1♣ 1♥
2NT 4NT shows only four hearts and slam invite)

With five hearts and definite slam values:
1♣ 1♥
2NT 3♦
3♥ 5NT

(1♣ 1♥
2NT 5NT shows only four hearts and definite slam values)

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Also what do these bids show in this method ?
1♣--1♥
2NT--4♣ or 4♦ or 4♥ or 4♠?

4♣ = natural, slam invite in clubs
4♦ = self-splinter, slam interest or better
4♠ = Self-splinter (3♠ shows clubs), it would probably show a particular sort of hand (since you might have transferred to hearts then cued something), needs partnership discussion.

P.S. I want to add that all of the auctions get even easier when you play transfers over a club as well. If anyone wants any examples I am happy to provide plenty :-)

[MrAce]

Okay, thanks Andy and Quantum.

[Lurpoa]

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The discussion above shows clearly that "Wolff" is a very loose convention - it covers, mainly the idea to play 3♣ as a relay, but what then ? and when is it applicable ?

I have a very down to earth question, to those who designed the Convention card for BBO Advanced (2/1 GF). Could our Fred help here please ?



This convention card says: "Wolff over 2NT rebids."

This is mentionned under "Other..." and not under 1Minor or 1Major Opening, so I guess that their Wolff is as well over 1m1M2NT, as over 1♥1♠2NT.

Is my conclusion right ? Is it valid over 1♣1♦2NT ?

So, I expect that the 3C is the beginning of a sign-off sequence....

What is the meaning of the other responder bids, espiecially 3D: should I expect that to be a check-back ?

Please help a lost soul...



NB: in the mean time I refuse to play Wolff with a pick-up partner.

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