[slyq]

2c multi ( many meanings)
2d weak major
or srong h
2h inv 5h
2s inv 5s
2nt 5-5 with c inv or weak c
3c strong c
3d 5h 5d inv
3h 5h 5s inv
3s 5s 5d inv

[mgoetze]

This is the best... uh... No-Thinking Structure? Or what?

[slyq]

had trouble working out posting so here is the 2c bid ( weak d weak both M strong 5s inv bal weak or inv+ d)

responses 2c 2d min
2h max 3h
2s max 3s
2nt min 5h ( optional i play 5h in nt not 5s)
3c maxc 5h xton d
3d max 5h 3 d

over 2d pass weak to inv d
2h weak both maj
2s forcing s ( maybe inv 4s partner raises with 4s or bids 2nt)
2nt weak both minors d or strong d + M
3c strong d>c
3d strong d
3h + strong 5h 4s
2h pass weak
2s forcing 4+s
2nt as above weak d or strong d +M
3c weak c and d
3d strong d
3h raise (4h) or bid 3nt

2s as for 2h strong s raise is forcing

2nt + pretty much self explanatory complicated but prob worth it can tell
you the rest if anyones interested

[slyq]

sorry this post is so half baked not really thinking about it slight errors above
after 1nt 2c
2d 2h weak both majors or inv 4h ton play in 4-3 fit w/out s convert to 2nt over 2s reply
2s incl inv 4s
2nt to play
3c strong d>m
3d strong d
3h strong bal 4h
3nt strong bal no major
as i said if there is any interest i can outline method in full an acurately

[mtvesuvius]

I know I ordered my NT structure medium rare, but this is going a bit too far!

[slyq]

1nt 9-12 bal (not vul) may include 5332 hearts

2c see below

2d weak hearts or spades strong hearts or strong diamonds single suit or d + major

2h inv hearts ( 5+)

2s inv spades (5+)

2nt weak clubs or 5-5 with clubs inv+ (or other slam 5-5 or 65)

3c game force c>d

3d 5-5 diamonds and hearts inv

3h 5-5 hearts and spades inv

3s 5-5 spades and diamonds

3nt to play

4c texas hearts

4d texas spades

4h to play

4s to play

4nt aces! Not quant ( 2c is range probe)

2c shows

weak diamonds or strong diamonds and clubs

Weak both majors

Inv + bal

Inv 4441 or strong

Inv c or c+M

Diamonds + major inv

Strong spades

Strong clubs ss or clubs + a major

Continuations after 2c

Responses

2d = min (not 5h)

2h max 3+h h>=S

2s max 3+s s>h

2nt min 5h

3c max 5h d supt

3d max 5h c supt

After 1nt 2c

2d pass weak d or weak d>c or ( d > major inv)

2h weak both majors or 4h inv (if part correct 2s then 2nt 3c 3d is to play)

2s inv ( + 4s) either bal or gf long spades part raises 3c with min 4s or else 2nt)

2nt min to play 4+c ( not 4h or 4s or 5d with 4c p can correct to 3c )

3c strong clubs or c> major

3d strong d>c

3h strong ( bal ) 4h 5s 4c weak h

3s strong (bal) 4s 5s 4c weak d

3nt strong to play (5s 4c 22)

4c splinter agreeing spades

1nt 2c 1nt 2c

2d 2s 2d

2nt 3c (inv c) 3c stong c or c or c + M

3d s>d unbal 3d strong d> c un bal
3h bal 4 h 3h 5s 332 or 5s an 4h (3s = heart supt 3nt = no supt 4c+=s supt)
3s s>c d shtg 3s s>c h shtg

3nt 5422 d 3nt 5422 c







2h pass weak both majors

2s inv + 4s either bal or gf various ( simple alt with long spades)

2nt weak d>c or weak d ( other possibilities 4441)

3c strong clubs or c> major

3d strong d>c

3h both M strong ( bal ) 4h

3s both M strong (bal) 4s

3nt strong to play

4c splinter agreeing spades



2s pass weak both majors

2nt weak d>c or weak d (or 4441)

3c strong clubs or c> major

3d strong d>c

3h 5 spades slam interest

3s 4s raise or correct

3nt to play

4c splinter agreeing spades

2nt pass to play (inv c hands have to decide weather to pass or 3h or 3c)

3c weak c

3d weak d

3h weak h or majors

3s gf 3nt = xton s

3nt to play

4c splinter

3c 3d to play

3h to play

3s game force s

3nt to play

4c splinter agreeing spades

3d pass to play

3h to play

3s game force s

3nt to play

4c splinter agreeing spades

After 1nt 2d

2h not 5h

2s 5332 h

Over 2h pass weak h

2s weak spades

2nt gf d or d>M

3c gf h>c gf ds

3d gf h>d gfd

3 h gf h gf dh

3s gf h>s

3nt 5332 h (5h 4m22)

4c splinter agreeing h

Over 2s as above except 3h to play

Problem hands 6c + 4 major inv

After 1nt 2c

2d 2s

2nt 3c inv c?s

3d s>d with shtg

3h s > h or 44

3s 5s

3nt( 4s) to play

1nt 2c

2d

After 1nt 2d 2h

3c ? h c inv

(treat as forcing)



5 spades + 4h weak (rebid 2h over 2d)

[Free]

A decent layout can make so much more people read your posts...

[Gerben42]

Agree, I gave up at "see below".

[awm]

It seems like the approach is as follows.

Directly over a 1NT opening:
--> To sign off below game bid 2♦; partner bids 2♥ and then you can sign off in any suit (with a few higher bids available for certain types of GF hands)
--> If you are weak with both majors, or have an invitational hand without a 5-card major, or want to force game but can't set the suit right off, then bid 2♣
--> Most other responses below 3NT show game invitational hands (2M natural 5+ invite, 3-level mostly 5/5 invites of some type)
--> 4M is to play and 4m is south african transfer

The main discussion of follow-up bidding is after 2♣ where:
--> Minimum opener normally bids 2♦, which presumably declines any invite
........... this can be passed with an invitational hand including diamond length
........... 2♥ rebid is not forcing; with less than 3♥ opener bids 2♠ which can be passed (both majors weak or inv) or corrected to 2NT (invite hearts only)
........... 2NT is to play, denying 5♦ or a 4M
........... 2♠ is a four-card suit and forcing one round (could be invite, could be GF)
........... others generally game-going hands
--> Maximum opener normally bids longer major, shows 3+ in major bid
........... this can be passed with a weak hand including both majors
........... other continuations forcing (invite has been accepted)

There's some other stuff about showing a 5-card heart suit directly over 1N-2♣ and further definition on some follow-up sequences.

My observation would be that this approach has some nice properties for invitational hands. For example it lets you out in two of a suit as often as possible on a declined invitation. However, even playing a very weak notrump range (this is designed for 9-12 apparently) I think the minimum GF hands are probably more important than the invitational hands. There isn't a clear way for responder to show game forcing 4441 patterns (for example) or to show all game-forcing two-suiters. You also have the main disadvantage of transfers (you have to bid 2♦ with a signoff rather than just bidding your suit, which reduces pressure on opponents) without the advantages (creates a lot more sequences for you).

[slyq]

hi awm thanks for the precis i know the outline is very scrappy an i had trouble with the original post not really interested in "selling" this structure though
just posted it because i was working out the new forum posts you have the basic gist of it though
a couple of things weak d hands go through 2c an either pass 2d weak or rebid 2nt over 2 M or 3d/ pas over 2nt - 3d
not sure with regard to marginal invitational hands strucure is almost always superior to simple transfers and alows you to show both gf minor hands
very well c>dand d>c at a low level which are often problem hands for most systems
gf 5-5 or 6-5 hands can go through 2nt and rebiding 3nt an up to show the specific hand types

the 4441 structure i am still tossing about a bit but there are many opperyunities to show specific 4441 structures


general min + bal hand try would normally be

1nt 2c
2d 2s
2nt ( denies 4s)
or (3c shows 4s) then 3h is bal with 4h jumps to 3nt sighn off when major suit situation resolved




not sure about what you said about be able to bid a direct 2h with a weak hand but interested in any structure that could cope well with it

[shevek]

Gladiatorish, has merit.

Problem hands with standard methods include responder's unbalanced invite with a 5cM.
We sometimes end up transferring then 2NT, passed out for -50 when RHO meanly leads our singleton.