[dcohio]

Is south a genius or insane?

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[rduran1216]

He's a cheater who should be banned.

[hotShot]

rduran1216, on 2010-December-09, 00:46, said:

He's a cheater who should be banned.

Let me guess, you are new to the game and never heard of the advantages of Canapé bidding.

South is very strong and he does not need much from partner to make game or slam.
Obviously it is better to play a ♦ fit, since the ♥ suit is a great source of tricks.
Bidding 5♦ is save, because if partner is short (which is unlikely since opener usually won't have a 4 card side suit) , opps will probably dbl and you can escape to ♥.
On the other hand partner is unlikely to support a ♥ bid, even if he is strong enough, because he can't know that we have 8 cards there.

[Free]

He gave the canapé overcall a try (but why did he only bid 5?) and it worked, yet again...

[gordontd]

What is this talk of canapé? Presumably his 3♠ bid showed ♥ + a minor, and then 5♦ showed his minor. It wouldn't be my choice to bid this hand that way, but it doesn't demonstrate anything sinister.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

gordontd, on 2010-December-09, 03:00, said:

What is this talk of canapé? Presumably his 3♠ bid showed ♥ + a minor, and then 5♦ showed his minor. It wouldn't be my choice to bid this hand that way, but it doesn't demonstrate anything sinister.

To bad he doesn't know how to play Leaping Michaels properly and he wouldn't be accused of cheating.
4D! = Hts + Diam, big hand; whereas
3S! = asks for a Sp-stop for 3NT.

Then again, this isn't your classic 2-suiter.
Maybe he was asking for a stop.
Then again, maybe 5D was a misclick and he meant to bid 5H.
Then again, maybe he heard of the Spingold Coup.

[Hanoi5]

So, what was 3♠? If it shows a two-suiter (hearts-minor) I'd say he was lucky. If it shows only a strong hand then it could be cheating. If it shows hearts, then it's a great understanding

There's a thin line between crazy and genius...

[gordontd]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2010-December-09, 06:21, said:

To bad he doesn't know how to play Leaping Michaels properly and he wouldn't be accused of cheating.

Too bad people don't weigh up the evidence before jumping to conclusions - then he wouldn't be accused of cheating.

[dcohio]

Hanoi5, on 2010-December-09, 08:41, said:

So, what was 3♠? If it shows a two-suiter (hearts-minor) I'd say he was lucky. If it shows only a strong hand then it could be cheating. If it shows hearts, then it's a great understanding

There's a thin line between crazy and genius...

My partner doesn't play leaping or western cue, and this was my hand.

3♠ was inquired by LHO, and partner correctly described our agreement as hearts and an undisclosed minor. We use 3NT to play, 4NT for minors.

I figured 5♦ or 5♥ had a good chance if partner had any support for either, and I wanted to get them to the 5 level if I could. I also figured that 5♦ was safe as me or partner could pull to 5♥ in case of disaster. Imagine my shock when partner raises to 6, then tables a near perfect dummy.

[mtvesuvius]

6♦ always makes.

[manudude03]

If 3♠ was michaels, then it seems clear to bid 4NT if you want to bid a second time (and keep diamonds in the picture). Partner is not going to correct to hearts with 2-3 in the reds. After all, why can't you have 5 hearts and 6 diamonds.

[nige1]

dcohio, on 2010-December-08, 23:08, said:

Is south a genius or insane?

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Agree with Manudude03. IMO: 5♥ = 10, 4N = 8, 5♦ = 2. Over 4♠...

• _X = Extra power but only 5-5 shape.
• 4N = Extra shape. e.g 66. If shape is 65 or 75 or 76, then ♥ are better.
• 5♣ = Extra shape. This minor is longer/better than ♥.
• 5♦ = Ditto.
• 5♥ = Extra shape. Great ♥. Lousy minor.

On this deal, if you bid, then you are likely to land on your feet. For example, over 5♥ partner can bid 5N to ask for the minor.

[Phil]

Please not this again.

[rduran1216]

hotShot, on 2010-December-09, 02:22, said:

Let me guess, you are new to the game and never heard of the advantages of Canapé bidding.

South is very strong and he does not need much from partner to make game or slam.
Obviously it is better to play a ♦ fit, since the ♥ suit is a great source of tricks.
Bidding 5♦ is save, because if partner is short (which is unlikely since opener usually won't have a 4 card side suit) , opps will probably dbl and you can escape to ♥.
On the other hand partner is unlikely to support a ♥ bid, even if he is strong enough, because he can't know that we have 8 cards there.

if 3S is really hearts + minor, why would you ever conceal an 8 card suit for a 4 card suit. Canape has nothing to do with anything. Partner with 1 heart and 3 diamonds is not correcting to 5H, and idk what good player would dbl with the West hand, knowing they'll run to Hearts.

Doubling 5D is an amateur move, bidding 5D and covering up a strong 8 card suit is just ridiculous. If this wasn't cheating, then it was an absolutely bonkers bid.

[kayin801]

I don't mind 3♠, you don't want partner to pass your X if he has spades, a leaping michaels call distorts your shape, and a heart bid risks burying the diamond suit and/or not getting high enough. With OP's bidding agreement this is still a distortion, and it would be nice if 4NT showed this kind of hand (correcting clubs to diamonds) as was suggested above. If 4NT doesn't show this hand then South has a huge problem over 4♠, and 5♦ is the 2nd best solution and slightly crazy (I prefer 5♥)

Suggesting that this is cheating is hilarious, sometimes when I open at the 1 level my partner has 7 card support, does that make it cheating? EDIT: not to mention we've already shown hearts, and showing our diamonds is also a descriptive bid, even if it is the wrong one.