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#1 User is offline   paulg 

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Posted 2010-November-25, 05:17



As often happens in online league matches, you have been throw together with your partner at the last minute. At least she is a fellow internationalist but your only agreements are 2/1, udca and normal 'expert' methods. So leads would be standard.

You are West. Perhaps not everyone would double a strong one notrump but it is now your lead. Which club do you lead?

Whichever you lead, partner plays the two of clubs (udca) and declarer plays the five. Which club do you continue with?

Is there an order of playing the clubs that suggests that they are solid and shows your spade entry?
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Posted 2010-November-25, 05:45

I don't understand the diagram, but I'd lead the King of clubs and continue with the Queen and Jack and so on.

Usually, leading high cards shows entries in the high-ranked suits, and this might be such a case, for with the diamond ace I'd continue with the Club Ten.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2010-November-25, 05:49

View Postpaulg, on 2010-November-25, 05:17, said:



As often happens in online league matches, you have been throw together with your partner at the last minute. At least she is a fellow internationalist but your only agreements are 2/1, udca and normal 'expert' methods. So leads would be standard.

You are West. Perhaps not everyone would double a strong one notrump but it is now your lead. Which club do you lead?

Whichever you lead, partner plays the two of clubs (udca) and declarer plays the five. Which club do you continue with?

Is there an order of playing the clubs that suggests that they are solid and shows your spade entry?


Showing the solidity of your sequence requires you to play the lowest card of your sequence on the second round.
So the king followed by the ten would show that you have a sequence KQJT but not the 9.
Of course there is no way, by which you can show your entry at the same time. In fact you almost never can convey two different types of information at the same time. But if the second round is ducked the queen on the third round indicates an entry in the higher ranking suit and the jack in the lower ranking suit. Unluckily there are 3 suits where your entry could be. So there is still guess work. If you had KQJT9 you could unambiguously signal for all remaining suits.

If there is agreement that you would never double a strong notrump without a good suit to lead from, then you could lead the queen on the second round and an expert might deduce that this lead can not be from KQx (where one should not overtake with Axx) and therefor must be an attempt to show an entry in the higher ranking suit. In this case you have non standard agreement that the second card shows the entry and only the third round shows the solidity. K, T, Q shows diamond, K, J, T shows hearts, K, Q, T shows spade.
However, I would do this only if I were on firm ground. I would not do this with a new partner.


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Posted 2010-November-25, 05:59

You hold 7 clubs KQJ10 in addition to the A109information you want to show partner. I lead the hi C now and wait to get in. I doubt partner has played low from A2, if they have so I would like a
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Posted 2010-November-25, 06:21

I guess it's most important to show your entry, so leading K followed by the Q, J and T is probably best to suggest .

If you want to show the solidity of your s AND show A you might want to lead K, J, T if you get to play 3 tricks, but I don't see the point.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 06:34

Second round you have 2 cards IMO queen and jack, both known to be hold and each has lavinthal implications.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 10:06

Is this a trick question?

Just read RHM's post. lol
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Posted 2010-November-25, 10:53

It is not a trick question, but partner knowing your entry is the difference between +200 and +1400.

Partner shows out on the second club and declarer leads a diamond towards the queen. Playing the jack as suit preference should be safe unless partner ducks the ace playing you for J10 doubleton.


However I think Rainer's second point is actually applicable. You know that partner knows that you have doubled with a maximum of sixteen points. To do this without a solid lead, in my experience, is rare. So I think leading clubs from the top is clear.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 11:59

I don't know how to defend with an unknown internationalist.

With a known partner I would lead the king (strong lead, asking for count or unblock) and follow with the queen.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-November-26, 04:26

I'd prefer to have an agreement, but on this occasion I think we can manage without.

If my clubs were KQJ8x or worse I'd lead a low one on the second round, because I can't afford a higher one. The only other holding where I would lead the king followed by the queen is KQx, but as partner has a singleton or Ax he will discount that possibility, and he will assume that I know he will discount this possibility.

Therefore when I lead the king followed by any other honour it shows solid clubs; when the other honour is the queen, it's suit preference for spades.

(Edit: It is, in any case, very unlikely that I'd lead from KQx against this contract. I can't think of any hand where I'd do that in preference to leading my four-card suit.)

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2010-November-26, 04:29

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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