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What's your bid? What do you open?

Poll: What's your bid? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

I open...

  1. 1[clubs] (7 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. 1[diamonds] (2 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  3. 1NT (19 votes [67.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 67.86%

  4. Something else (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2010-November-25, 13:09

Playing 2/1, a team match of 16 boards:


 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

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Posted 2010-November-25, 13:44

1N. I've played this style for some time and I like it better than 1♣..2♣ and much better than 1♦...2♣.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 13:59

I hate 1N. But I hate the alternatives even more, so the nauseating 1N it is.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 14:18

Prefer to have a spade honor too but sure, 1NT it is.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-November-25, 14:37

1N, don't hate it at all really.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 15:03

1♣ then 1NT can be the winner and it has a bit of flexibility but I would still open 1NT
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Posted 2010-November-25, 15:49

I'll only hate 1NT if partner shows 5-5 in the majors. I suspect that you could make this 32 32 AQJ10 AKJ109 and still get a majority for 1NT.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-November-25, 17:43

1♣ then 2♣.

I have yet to be convinced that opening 1NT on this hand type with a small doubleton is a good idea, especially when my clubs are easily good enough to rebid. Really dislike 1♦ and would only ever do that as a last resort on something like x AJx AKQx Qxxxx.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 18:29

I'm opening 1D, whats the problem?
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Posted 2010-November-25, 22:12

1 NT, regardless of how flawed a 15-17 balanced hand for 1 nt, not opening it 1 NT causes much more problem. Thats how i see it.
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Posted 2010-November-25, 23:37

1N
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Posted 2010-November-26, 00:58

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Posted 2010-November-26, 01:15

View PostMrAce, on 2010-November-25, 22:12, said:

1 NT, regardless of how flawed a 15-17 balanced hand for 1 nt, not opening it 1 NT causes much more problem. Thats how i see it.


To those who open 1NT, what happens when partner has the very likely garbage stayman hand
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Posted 2010-November-26, 03:50

View Postrduran1216, on 2010-November-26, 01:15, said:

To those who open 1NT, what happens when partner has the very likely garbage stayman hand


Play 2♥ in a 4-2 or 5-2 fit I suppose. That strengthens your character :)

Why is this "very likely" ?

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Posted 2010-November-26, 03:58

I agree, I don't see why garbage stayman is so likely. Anyway, there are worse things than playing 2H in a 5-2 fit.

If partner shows a gameforcing hand with both majors then I'd bid 3NT. This looks easy so I don't understand the objection.
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Posted 2010-November-26, 04:14

View Posthan, on 2010-November-26, 03:58, said:

If partner shows a gameforcing hand with both majors then I'd bid 3NT. This looks easy so I don't understand the objection.

Because partner will continue with 4♥ to show 5-5 rather than 5-4, "knowing" that there will be an 8-card fit in one of the majors?
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Posted 2010-November-26, 04:36

View Posthan, on 2010-November-26, 03:58, said:

If partner shows a gameforcing hand with both majors then I'd bid 3NT. This looks easy so I don't understand the objection.

Because with 5-5 in the majors partner will tend to stretch. 3NT opposite KQxxx KJxxx xx x is almost hopeless, and that's not the worst he can have.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-November-26, 05:36

Gnasher, of course you are right that partner may have a normal gameforce and we go down because the hands fit poorly. I don't think that it is worth worrying about too much but I agree with you that this is a possibility.

Wellspyder, my partner will show 5-5 already below 3NT so there is no need to show it again.
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Posted 2010-November-26, 05:57

View Posthan, on 2010-November-26, 05:36, said:

Wellspyder, my partner will show 5-5 already below 3NT so there is no need to show it again.

Fair enough. There was a hand just like this in the English inter-county championship (Tollemache) last weekend, though. Playing against a strong pair representing the county that won the event last year, they held a 2245 hand opposite a 5521 shape, and bid 1N - 2H (transfer); 2S - 3H (GF, 2nd suit); 3N - 4H; 4S. The resulting 5-2 fit was not a success (though if declarer's spades had been J4 rather than J2 the result might have been different...).
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Posted 2010-November-26, 06:23

This position and the colors clearly make this a standout for 1NT. The hand itself has always been a problem, the C openers are not well placed if they o/c S and partner makes a neg double 2S, and the same applies had they opened 1D, as bidding 3C could land you on a 4-3 D fit. 1N solves everything, and to be honest I hope they come in showing majors and partner can clip it.
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