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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-April-28, 16:18

xxxx
KQJ7xx
xx
x

imps unfav 1st seat you decide to.. pass

it goes

p-1♣-x-p
3♥-4♣-x-p
???
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Posted 2010-April-28, 16:39

Think partner has 18/19 balanced and so would bid 4 hearts.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 00:29

4 ♥
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Posted 2010-April-29, 01:01

Agree with 4H.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 01:12

4♥
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Posted 2010-April-29, 04:31

gwnn, on Apr 28 2010, 05:18 PM, said:

xxxx KQJ7xx xx x
imps unfav 1st seat you decide to.. pass
it goes
p-1♣-x-p
3♥-4♣-x-p
???
IMO 4♥ = 10, _P = 6, 4♠ = 4.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 07:51

gwnn, on Apr 28 2010, 05:18 PM, said:

xxxx
KQJ7xx
xx
x

imps unfav 1st seat you decide to.. pass

it goes

p-1♣-x-p
3♥-4♣-x-p
???

I need a seat on the 4♥ bandwagon
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Posted 2010-April-29, 07:55

pooltuna, on Apr 29 2010, 07:51 AM, said:

gwnn, on Apr 28 2010, 05:18 PM, said:

xxxx
KQJ7xx
xx
x

imps unfav 1st seat you decide to.. pass

it goes

p-1♣-x-p
3♥-4♣-x-p
???

I need a seat on the 4♥ bandwagon

move over, i'm coming in too.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 10:00

yep, 4H --in case partner didnt see the 3H bid.

http://forums.bridge...showtopic=38864
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Posted 2010-April-29, 10:39

Why didn't I bid 4♥ last time? Or even 3♥ the 1st time?

(and to think I'm the resident underbidder around here)
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Posted 2010-April-29, 10:46

seriously you'd open 3♥?
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Posted 2010-April-29, 10:51

I would definitely open 2 in first seat.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 10:52

gwnn, on Apr 29 2010, 11:46 AM, said:

seriously you'd open 3♥?

I just saw the vul.

I'm opening at least 2.

But only 3♥ after a x. Really?
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Posted 2010-April-29, 11:09

yea not sure about that.. looked like an OK value bid at the time (mind you I don't like the philosophy of bidding 3M on 5 cards)

anyway I didn't like partner's double on

AKQxx
T
KQx
Kxxx

at least he had the courtesy to bring the T :P

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Posted 2010-April-29, 11:16

2H seems to be clear on the first round, but I thought we were accepting the conditions. If OP is living with a first round pass, and thinks 3H the next time has described his hand as an advance to the double, then why not abide by partner's decision to double 4C?
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Posted 2010-April-29, 11:20

partner doubled 1C, he can't have a perfect penalty double of clubs unless he has like 24 points, say

Ax
Ax
AKx
AKJTxx
.

This is not the same as

3♥-(4♣)-x

With this post I do not mean to say that partner's double should be pulled very often or it should be pulled at all. I am quite unsure about this sequence, but it is definitely not as clear as you make it out to be aguahombre.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 11:34

The point I was making was that, if you feel you have described your hand, and partner then makes a decision, you don't want to over-ride it.

If one of you has made a bad choice, oh well. This is not a perfectly clear situation, but certainly the idea of describing and then subsiding is reasonable. On this hand, partner thought you had pretty much what you had.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 11:47

the question is,

is partner's double a clear signal that this is his final decision?

the answer is unclear to me.

the answer is clear to you.

the question this thread endeavored to ask was not

"Hi I'm gwnn, my partner made a clear penalty double, may I pull it? Thank you for your kind help"
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Posted 2010-April-29, 11:54

The answer is to exactly that question. Of course you can pull a penalty double. But you don't want to do so if your hand is already what you said it was.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 11:56

but partner's double is clear penalty only to you aguahombre, apparently the rest of the thread doesn't think so.

It is not impossible to have the agreement that double just shows a lot of extra values but not too many hearts. This hand would be typically 19 ish balanced as olliebol mentioned.
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