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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2008-September-29, 04:14

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Posted 2008-September-29, 04:18

Yes, this hand has good playing strength.
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Posted 2008-September-29, 06:01

Partner and rho have around 29 HCPS between them and both are passing. Any ideas why they did?

Lets say, I bid 4 Club, non leaping michaels. What will partner do with Kxxx,AQx,AKx,Kxx? You will have most likely two heart loser and maybe even a club loser. And this hand is more then he can have. And it has most of its points in Aces and Kings.

Same hand, what will he do after my 4 Heart bid? Maybe I make 5 Heart, but maybe I don't.

I would like to bid 4 Heart if pd must pass this when it is right, but I cannot.
Maybe I should try a 3 HEart bid. If they accept, anything is fine, else I am forced to bid 4 and pd is forced to pass. But of course, we would never do such evil stuff at a table.
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Posted 2008-September-29, 06:24

hmm this looks a bit familiar.

ah, i remember!
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Posted 2008-September-29, 06:30

yep this is from an Aussie panel. Not sure if I should have specified that from the beginning.
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Posted 2008-September-29, 08:35

andy_h, on Sep 29 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

hmm this looks a bit familiar.

ah, i remember!

I don't think this is quite the same as the one Han posted recently.

I think it is highly probable RHO has enough to make 3 a making contract. I think partner also likely has enough that 4 is either a make or no worse than one off.

Of course, I could be wrong and/or maybe partner gets too enthusiastic. However, my guess (and it is a guess) is that bidding is better than passing.

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Posted 2008-September-29, 09:02

I think this auction screams that partner has penalty double of spades and RHO has intermediate values with no spade support. So, the question becomes, does partner have any values outside of trump and how many hearts or clubs he has. So, I am passing because I have a feeling that RHO rates to be
0-4-5-4 or something of that nature and we have no fit. And no, I don't think 3S is making. I think 5C is more likely your game, but I don't know what you do and I am too chicken to double with this hand.

Codo, partner with a 19 count and a spade stopper needs to bid 3 NT and hopefully you make it, so I don't think that is partner's hand.
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Posted 2008-September-29, 10:01

NickRW, on Sep 30 2008, 12:35 AM, said:

andy_h, on Sep 29 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

hmm this looks a bit familiar.

ah, i remember!

I don't think this is quite the same as the one Han posted recently.

I think it is highly probable RHO has enough to make 3 a making contract. I think partner also likely has enough that 4 is either a make or no worse than one off.

Of course, I could be wrong and/or maybe partner gets too enthusiastic. However, my guess (and it is a guess) is that bidding is better than passing.

Nick

no, it probably isn't but I meant what I said. This was a hand from the Australian Junior Team Selection for 2007. I was sitting East but had a different auction. It was quite funny what the contract was at both tables.
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Posted 2008-September-29, 11:04

I'd bid 4H. I'm not worried that partner will go slam hunting but if he does then I expect to have play.

This hand is indeed not the same as the 4-count II posted because it has incredible playing strength.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-September-29, 11:06

Yeah I'll bid 4. Agree that it's ok if partner looks for slam, because it may well make anyway.
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Posted 2008-September-29, 11:11

4 didn't occur to me, but I think its a good shot especially if pard will give me some leeway here.
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Posted 2008-September-29, 12:36

i suspect partner has, at best, no more than a strong NT hand, with no more than 2h. i am worried that 4H would turn into 6HX, with a bad heart break, and i have just turned a part-score push into a phone number loss
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Posted 2008-September-30, 01:05

ASkolnick, on Sep 30 2008, 12:02 AM, said:

Codo, partner with a 19 count and a spade stopper needs to bid 3 NT and hopefully you make it, so I don't think that is partner's hand.

I totally agree.
This is why I wrote that he cannot have so much. He surely has a weaker hand, so biding is less acctractive to me. B)
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Posted 2009-January-28, 19:04

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At one table, the auction was
Pass - 1 - All Pass

The other table was:
3 - Pass - Pass - 4
Pass - 6 - All Pass.
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Posted 2009-January-28, 19:29

Thx andy, where you playing with Csaba this hand?
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Posted 2009-January-28, 19:56

Clear 3 balance.

Of ethical calls, I choose 4 and suspect I would get to 5 down 1. Dems de brakes.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 00:06

andy_h, on Jan 29 2009, 01:04 AM, said:

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At one table, the auction was
Pass - 1 - All Pass

The other table was:
3 - Pass - Pass - 4
Pass - 6 - All Pass.

The 6 auction is plain weird--hell of a way to end up in a contract that couldn't make on an answered prayer. A reasonably sensible North calls 3NT and then accepts a 4 signoff.

The 1-float auction actually makes some sense if the partnership doesn't have a natural 1NT overcall available.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 06:22

Fluffy, on Jan 28 2009, 08:29 PM, said:

Thx andy, where you playing with Csaba this hand?

Csaba's not Australian.
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Posted 2009-January-29, 08:47

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